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Jerry HarrisonArticle from Music Technology, March 1988 |
Talking Heads keyboard player Jerry Harrison talks to Nicholas Rowland about a forthcoming Heads LP and a solo project he calls The Casual Gods.
A melodic interlude over, rhythm comes once more to the fore in a new album from Talking Heads and another from their keyboard player, Jerry Harrison.
"Once you've chosen a sampler and got to know it, unless you really want to be a keyboard technician rather than a musician, then stay with it."
"The new Talking Heads album is a little more free flowing, a little looser and broader in the sense of structure, than the last two. It's much, much closer to Remain In Light and, frankly, much closer to my album."
Naked has been on the production line since April '87, when the band came together for initial "improvisatory" rehearsals. Most of the recording has been done in Paris, with producer Steve Lillywhite at the helm, the first time that Talking Heads have used a producer since Brian Eno's involvement in Remain In Light. And, as any historian of the band will know, while that collaboration produced one of the most startling and innovative albums of the decade, it almost split the band. It's not surprising then, that eight years after its release, Harrison still talks passionately about just how difficult that album was to make.
"There have been a lot of conversations about Remain In Light, but let's say everyone felt very extended by the time it was finished. We had three weeks in the Bahamas, but then everything stopped and we had trouble getting going again. We just kept running into problems, like how we were going to turn these ideas into songs. It was the first time David had tried to write the lyrics after the music and he ended up literally tearing his hair out. It was the summer, very hot, and there was a lot of pressure to get it finished because we were about to go on tour.
"In fact while we were doing it I went out one afternoon and hired a band for the tour. I came back and said 'I've got a great band' and the others said 'Who's in it?', I said 'Adrian Belew', they said 'Wow!' 'And Bernie Worrell' and they said, 'No kidding? How did you do that?'. Then David went to LA with Dave Jerden and mixed three songs and I stayed with Eno and mixed four, just to get it done.
"At the end there was this great exhaustion and a great difficulty in assessing who exactly had done what."
The experience with Steve Lillywhite, however, has proved more relaxing.
"This is a different situation", comments Harrison, "more of a co-production. Because we've produced several of our own albums as well as other people's, everyone in the room is completely aware of how to make records, and could be the producer. Steve was there to take the pressure off, so instead of David and me listening to Tina going through the bass parts, we let Steve do it, and then we can come back and say, 'That's great, everything works... except for that one little bit.'"
The new album again saw the lyrics being written after the music. Had this proved as difficult as the first time?
"No, because we've all learnt the problems which can come from not having enough chord changes. You tend to find that the melodies end up sounding sort of flat, because although being in a key they can just go anywhere, they don't have that drama of chord changes. So we purposefully built lots of chords in so they didn't end up as strict jams with words layered on top. It just gives the possibility of more melodic interest."
As is usual, whenever Talking Heads go into the studio, everybody ends up by playing a little bit of everything. Hence, while Harrison gets credited for guitar as well as keyboards, Byrne and Weymouth end up with credits for keyboard playing too.
"That's the trouble. I always lose out in Talking Heads because everyone wants to play keyboards", moans Harrison, with a wry smile.
"On the other hand", he continues, "it's good, because I think inexperienced people often play the best parts. A keyboard player always thinks with keyboard technique, but someone else will come along with their one finger approach and play something which is terrific because it's concise and direct.
"Tina was playing piano on this track and doing something quite amazing - constantly changing the metre so it was twisting through the song - the only thing was that after we'd recorded it on one take, she couldn't quite get it anymore, so we had to search through all these tapes and find the one where this had happened, then find the place where it had really worked, then resolve how she actually did it. And when we'd done all that, I ended up playing the part for the final version."
ANOTHER NAME ON the list of credits is that of Wally Badarou, Synclavier programmer extraordinaire, and well known for his work with Level 42. It's not the first time the Heads have worked with Badarou: his name also appears on three of the tracks on Speaking in Tongues.
"One thing that's always worked well for us is bringing in other musicians who then add their own style and influences. Through Wally Badarou we met all kinds of people who came in and played for us, although the core of the music is us playing as a four-piece."
While Harrison may jokingly suggest that he sometimes can't get a look in, there's no doubt that over the years his keyboard playing and programming have become an inseparable part of the Talking Heads style, instantly recognisable whatever type of music. He attributes the evolution of his sparse, rhythmic playing to an early interest in guitar. In fact, even now, he remains happy to exchange the ivories for six strings and a plank of wood, if he feels that's how the song would benefit most.
"When I joined the band, it had already existed as a three-piece for some time, so much of the early material had already been written. It was really a case of fitting in by deciding what the song needed to continue the mood that was already there. A keyboard part wasn't always the best way to do it, so sometimes I played guitar. In any case, I hate this thing in bands where they feel that everybody has to play on every track.
"The frightening thing about communication is that, as everything becomes more accessible, there becomes only one culture."
"The keyboard has always been a funny instrument in rock 'n' roll anyway. For instance, just as many classically-trained musicians had a hard time playing jazz, so in the earlier days of rock 'n' roll keyboard playing I always thought that people with fabulous technique played too much and ruined the songs.
"As a player with a much simpler technique, I could go to the heart of the song and play it more like a guitar would play it. I was always into guitarists much more than keyboard players, except for people like Booker T and Mike Ratledge from Soft Machine, who was the first organ player who really excited me. Trouble is, I could never afford a Hammond, which I guess is why I re-invented the Farfisa sound.
"Now, though, I wish I had more training, because of all these new keyboards which allow you to exploit your technique. Now you can have different instruments assigned to different parts of the keyboard with touch sensitivity available for all of them, which means that people with fabulous technique really can do a hell of a lot."
The next few questions all concern equipment, but he's the one doing the asking. Had I seen the Prophet 3000? What did I think? What drum box was I using? Was the Alesis machine as good as he'd heard? Did I think the Yamaha DMP7 mixer coloured sound?
This role reversal aptly illustrates that, while Harrison is obviously aware of what new equipment is appearing on the market, he tends to stick to what he likes, knows and - above all - trusts.
"I'm not at all exhaustive about new technology. It seems to me that once you've chosen a sampler and got to know it, unless you really want to be a keyboard technician rather than a musician, then stay with it."
The sampler Harrison has chosen to stay with is the Emulator II with the Optical Media CD-ROM and CRM3 remote. (He also finds the Emulator's on-board sequencer incredibly easy to use, even though he does use Performer software on the Macintosh.) But he's not so struck on it that he isn't considering upgrading to the Mark III.
On the synthesiser side, he still remains very much committed to the old analogue models. So while the first takes of his solo album were laid down four years ago with a DX7, for the recent Talking Heads recording, he dug out his old Prophet t8, Sequential's touch-sensitive, MIDI-equipped successor to the Prophet 5.
"I like the fact that the pressure sensitivity is individual for each key. So if you want to have modulation on just one key, while holding a chord down, you can do it. I find that there's something extremely visceral about that.
"In general, it seems to me that analogue synthesisers are beginning to feel like organs used to feel. Whereas they were once at the height of the artificial, they now seem 'natural'. There's an organic quality to them which the new digital synths don't have.
"And because I've never developed an absolute method of getting from A to B on synthesisers, most of the sounds I like, I get by fooling around. So the DX7 is a difficult instrument to use in that respect. You change one parameter and the whole thing changes in an absolutely unbelievable way. Where I do use the DX7, it's more with the sampler. There, you've got something which sounds 'real', but by bringing in the artificial harmonics of the DX7, you can create something which stands on its own. And the nature of the sample means you don't end up sounding like all these new age records with their so-obviously synthesised sounds. Sometimes they're fantastic when they have lots of echo on them, a little dreamy perhaps, but otherwise they lack a little resonance.
"The main problem, though, is that I'm not so methodical about keeping track of what I do. When you're in a studio, all you're thinking about is 'I need a voice which sounds like such and such'. You get it, you play it, then it's gone."
Harrison is now looking forward to exchanging the pressures of the studio for those of the road. For, while Talking Heads have no plans to tour in the near future, British audiences will have the chance to see Harrison front his own band playing music from the album. The group also takes the name Casual Gods ... Time for an explanation.
"It was made up by this conceptual artist I met in Paris. When I heard it, I just thought it was very funny. It reminds me of those ancient Greek gods who could never quite be bothered about what was going on on Earth. Humans would look to them for help: 'Hey, we're having an earthquake down here'... 'Go away, don't bother me now'. I think it's a very adequate description of what's going on in the world today."
But while Harrison's striking out with his own band, it doesn't signal the end of Talking Heads, especially as during their last album they were more close-knit than they had been. Instead, expect a flow of group projects and individual albums for a good few years to come.
"I think everyone is getting to the stage where they like the variety. When Talking Heads started it was Talking Heads all the time. Everybody was living and breathing the same dream. Then you become set in your roles. The most interesting thing about doing your own music is that you put yourself in the position of doing the things you wouldn't normally do, like singing lead vocals. It's a real challenge and makes you think about things a little differently.
"There's just one thing. I hope my next album doesn't take as long as the last."
I, for one, couldn't agree more.
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