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Greg Phillinganes: The keys to Jacksonville
You're the most successful pop star in the world. You're about to undertake one of the biggest tours in history. Who ya gonna call...?


"I am the Musical Director - which simply means that I translate whatever Michael wants musically to the rest of the band"
"I'm using four keyboards on stage, and rackmounted equipment behind that. Brad plays most of the sampled sounds, and I play most of the main piano and keyboard parts - some string sounds, some horn sounds. Things are divided up pretty equally. I use a KX88 as the main controller; on top of that is an M1, and to the right there is what will be an 01/W Pro - I've been using just an 01 up until today, in fact, so this is hot news! On top of that is a D50, and then I have a rack of equipment behind me - sundry modules.
"The entire 01 line is just great, it really is. They have very effective sounds, and they're easy for me to program; if someone like me can program a synth, it really is easy, I can tell you that right now! All the patch changes I do from the KX88. If there's any problem I have my crack sidekick, Dave Benson, to back me up, ever at the ready. It's a crack team - as opposed to a team that's on crack."
Heaven forbid. The phrase 'mostly' live prompts an inevitable question... "Yes, there is a click track which goes to Ricky Lawson (the drummer), and the things which are triggered are usually extra percussion sounds, but for the most part it's us. Ricky uses a lot of Akai stuff for the samples, and he takes care of all the drum and percussion sounds. But then, he's done this before, you know! We were both on the Bad tour."

"Along with all the special effects and gizmos - all the extra stuff that goes on in the show - it's nice to have certain fundamentals of live playing still functioning"
"Michael's music is becoming more and more street-oriented, but I don't think it's becoming based on technology. It's getting more of a raw edge to it, but the technology is about the same. It may be sounding more 'hip-hop', but that's to do with musical genres as opposed to technology. To me, there's no ground-breaking stuff going on technically - at least, not that I'm aware of. The technology that we're using is definitely sophisticated, but we use it only to embellish, really, what we're doing musically. I don't like being taken over by technology. I'm fascinated by it, it's great, but I only use it as an aid. It's not the primary ingredient.

"I don't think that hip-hop has come out of technology; it's come from combining different musical rhythms and then using the latest technology to bring that out. I think that the technology arrived at a point where it was more convenient for hip-hop musicians to work with, to adapt to their music, but not the other way around. Budding technology was around during the disco era - not at the level that it is today, but it was around, emerging more just after that in the early '80s, and you could say that there are other genres that grew out of it, too; but I wouldn't agree. I think it's just that the technology has grown to a level of sophistication where it's more of a convenience.
"It's an advantage and a disadvantage at the same time, because more and more kids are going straight for the drum machines and the sequencers, and they're practising less. Before that stuff you had to practise. This is not to put down anybody whose playing ability may not be the same as another musician who practises, because it's a great tool. I'm just saying that, at the same time, you have to be careful that the technology doesn't take over.
"That's what I meant earlier, that's the down side if it. Yeah, it's a convenience, it gives you adaptability, and it's developing a closer relationship with whatever music you're doing, but... I mean, if there's any genre that's grown directly out of technology I would say it's techno music, stuff they were doing in Germany in the '70s and early '80s, groups like Kraftwerk. And there was Yellow Magic Orchestra, who were expanding on that too. Maybe some dance styles, like house music, go back to that, but not really Michael's music."
Our particular little corner of Wembley Stadium is gradually becoming engulfed in the kind of sounds you might expect with the construction of a stage 260 feet wide and 90 feet deep, and a PA system producing 240,000 watts of power. It's easy to imagine quieter spots for an interview. The middle of the Blackwall Tunnel, for example. Greg raises his voice as a truck reverses by, full throttle.
"This is the kind of ambience we want! The noise of hard labour! Lots of sweaty guys running around! Lorries and fork-lifts everywhere! Steel! No girls, though, which is kind of sad. Hang on, there's one I've seen before..." Yes, he has met her before - once or twice. It's Jennifer Batten, the striking lead guitarist in his band. She and her hair-do are settling into a nearby seat for the purposes of another interview. No doubt about it, the Michael Jackson show has rolled into town. Between pantechnicons, Greg continues his analysis of running the most high-profile band of the moment.
"So it depends on the precedent that you set with the band; the goal that you want to attain. It doesn't have to feel mechanical at all, it doesn't have to have that rigid feeling. You can still develop a feel within a click track. People say 'how can you play the same thing night after night?' but it's no different from any other job that you have to do repeatedly. If you enjoy it, you are able to expand on your own creative boundaries. It's the same as a Broadway show; people do that night after night and there's a discipline, quite frankly, which you get from that. Everything doesn't always have to be loose."
"Michael's music is becoming more and more street-oriented, but I don't think it's becoming based on technology. It's getting more of a raw edge to it, but the technology is about the same"
There is the faintest hint of defensiveness about Greg's insistence that such a strictly choreographed show is still a worthwhile exercise for a musician.
Perhaps this is the response of a virtuoso pianist seconded to a pop project occupying the most main of streams. Perhaps the tour has simply attracted too much non-musical interest. This is, after all, the second consecutive day on which The Daily Mirror has published an unflattering front page photograph of the star of the show, whose reputation as a songwriter has long been eclipsed by his medical record.
"It's different from playing with someone like Eric Clapton, that's for sure. That's a completely different thing; the music's different; the band is different; the setup's different. I'm not saying it's better - it's just different, like apples and oranges. So this is a slightly different challenge, but it's still fun. People do try to make it sound as though this could be a bad tour to do, but if it was that bad I wouldn't be here. I have a choice in this, you know. I wasn't sentenced to it.
"I just like big productions; I like playing in stadiums, I like the whole ambience of it, the excitement of it. OK, we've done it 800 million times, but the audience is new in each city we're in. They're seeing something for the first time, and you want to give it that freshness; you want to display that kind of excitement. The show's the same, but the crowds are different from show to show, and because of that you have areas of give and take. Those aspects will keep the show fresh, in general."
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